Today we have returning guest Fred Joyal, author of Superbold. Fred cofounded 1-800-DENTIST and was the CEO for 25 years. Today he coaches people by helping them come out of their shell and to be BOLD. Our last conversation was in the middle of 2020 so let’s see what he’s been up to now that we’re living in the real world again!

0:10 – Introductions
3:30 – Private Equity Companies
7:40 – Economies of scale
15:45 – Advice for middle managers
20:50 – Pushing complacent people
26:00 – Kobe Bryant story
35:00 – Challenge yourself or die
42:50 – Why boldness?
48:25 – Where you ‘aught to be’
57:50 – Risk and Boldness
1:03:20 – Bold people don’t have regrets
1:08:05 – Talking politics boldly
1:18:40 – The Superbold Book
1:31:40 – Plans for the rest of the year